Consistent bottom fishing success depends on three fundamentals: selecting the right rig for conditions, positioning your boat precisely over structure, and fighting fish aggressively before they reach the reef. These proven techniques for catching snapper, grouper, and reef species work regardless of your experience level.
There's something deeply satisfying about dropping a bait down to the reef and feeling that solid thump when a big grouper or snapper picks it up. Unlike trolling where you're searching blind or kite fishing where you're hoping fish move through, bottom fishing puts you directly over known concentrations of fish. You're not wondering if they're there. You know they are because your electronics show the structure, and structure holds fish.
The challenge isn't finding willing biters. Reefs, wrecks, and ledges concentrate hungry predators looking for their next meal. The real challenge is getting your bait to them effectively, keeping it in the strike zone despite current and drift, and landing fish before they dive back into the safety of the reef. I've watched plenty of anglers drop baits and hope for the best. The ones who consistently fill coolers understand the details that separate productive fishing from just soaking bait.
Over the years fishing reefs from the Carolinas to the Gulf Coast, I've learned that success comes down to a few key principles: proper rig selection for conditions, precise boat positioning, and aggressive fighting techniques that turn fish before they reach structure. Let me walk you through what actually works when you're targeting reef fish.
What Is Bottom Fishing and Why Does It Work So Well?
Bottom fishing targets species living on or near the ocean floor by presenting bait in the lower portion of the water column where these fish feed. You position your boat over structure like reefs, wrecks, rock piles, or natural ledges where bottom-dwelling species concentrate, then use weighted rigs to get your bait down quickly and hold it in position.
Most recreational bottom fishing happens between 80 and 200 feet, though you can certainly fish shallower inshore structure down to 40 feet or drop to 300-plus feet for deeper-dwelling species. This depth range is where you'll find the best concentrations of snapper, grouper, triggerfish, and amberjack on natural and artificial structure.
The technique works because you're not searching. You're fishing known fish-holding areas. Your job becomes presenting bait where fish can find it and converting strikes into landed fish. It's predictable in a way that makes it incredibly productive, especially when other offshore techniques struggle in moderate sea conditions.
How Is Bottom Fishing Different from Deep Dropping?
People often confuse these two techniques, but they're actually quite different in execution. Bottom fishing typically covers depths from 40 to 300 feet using conventional or spinning tackle that you can hand-crank comfortably. You feel every bite, fight each fish with sport tackle, and target the traditional reef species most anglers prefer like red snapper, grouper, and sea bass.
Deep dropping pushes into 400 to 1,000-plus feet targeting species that live in much deeper water. We're talking golden tilefish, blueline tilefish, snowy grouper, and barrelfish. This technique requires electric reels because hand-cranking from those depths isn't practical, especially when you're fishing multiple hooks and catching several fish per drop. The weights get heavier (often 3 to 5 pounds or more), the rigs become production-oriented with multiple hooks, and the whole approach shifts toward efficiency rather than sport.
I enjoy both techniques, but they serve different purposes. Standard bottom fishing lets you feel connected to every aspect of the fight and target specific species with appropriate tackle. Deep dropping becomes more about putting meat in the box from extreme depths where traditional tackle just doesn't make sense.
What Fish Will You Actually Catch Bottom Fishing?
Walk up to any experienced bottom fisherman and ask what they're targeting, and you'll hear a fairly consistent list regardless of whether they're fishing the Atlantic, Gulf, or even Pacific reefs. Snapper species form the backbone of most bottom fishing trips. Red snapper, vermilion snapper, lane snapper, mangrove snapper, and mutton snapper all live around reef structure and respond well to both cut bait and live offerings. Mangrove snapper deserve special mention because while they often hold tight to structure near bottom, they'll frequently rise into the water column when you chum, giving you bites anywhere from bottom up through the lower half of the water column. This behavior makes them productive targets whether you're fishing tight to the reef or working a chum slick.
The real prize for many anglers is grouper. Gag grouper, red grouper, black grouper, and scamp all hold tight to structure and fight like bulldogs. That initial run when you hook a big grouper tests both your tackle and your technique. They're heading straight for the reef, and if you don't stop them, you're pulling on dead weight wrapped around coral or wedged into a crevice.
Sea bass, particularly black sea bass in the Atlantic, provide consistent action across different depths. Triggerfish, especially gray triggers, keep things interesting with their aggressive strikes and tough mouths. Amberjack cruise around reef edges and wrecks, offering powerful runs that test everything about your setup.
Here's what makes bottom fishing so appealing: the structure you fish holds multiple species at once. You might be targeting red snapper specifically, but that doesn't mean you won't hook grouper, amberjack, or a dozen other species throughout the day. Every drop brings possibilities.
Why Bottom Fishing Beats Other Offshore Techniques
Let me be direct about this. Bottom fishing offers predictability and consistency that other offshore methods can't match. When you run to a productive reef or wreck, you know fish are there. You're not hoping or searching. You mark the structure on your electronics, see fish holding to it, and present bait. That reliability means you catch fish even when conditions shut down trolling or live baiting.
The technique handles weather better than people realize. I've had excellent bottom fishing days in 2 to 4-foot seas that would make trolling uncomfortable and kite fishing nearly impossible. The boat drifts across structure while you maintain vertical presentations. Moderate wind and waves barely affect your ability to catch fish.
Then there's the food factor. The species you target bottom fishing rank among the best eating fish in the ocean:
Red snapper offers firm, sweet white meat perfect for almost any preparation
Grouper provides thick fillets with mild flavor and excellent texture
Black sea bass delivers delicate, flaky meat highly prized at restaurants
Mutton and Mangrove snapper gives you versatile fillets that work for everything from grilling to ceviche
A successful bottom fishing trip means filling the cooler with quality table fare, not just catch-and-release action photos. For many anglers, that matters.
The pace keeps you engaged too. When positioned correctly over productive structure, bites come regularly. You're constantly adjusting depth, repositioning baits, landing fish, and re-rigging. It's active fishing that rewards attention and technique refinement.
What Are the Best Artificial Lures for Bottom Fishing?
I'll admit I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to bottom fishing with natural bait, but artificials absolutely have their place and often outproduce naturals in specific situations. Jigs form the foundation of artificial bottom fishing because they sink quickly, work in current, and trigger strikes from nearly every reef species.
Bucktail jigs remain my go-to artificial for snapper, grouper, and sea bass. The natural hair movement mimics baitfish perfectly, and fish hammer them on the drop. You work them with lift-and-drop motions, varying your cadence until you find what triggers strikes on that particular day. White, chartreuse, and pink bucktails in 2 to 6 ounces cover most situations. Match your weight to depth and current strength.
Soft plastic swimbaits give you more realistic baitfish profiles. Paddle tails and shad bodies on appropriate jigheads produce when you want to imitate specific forage. The swimming action during both the drop and retrieve triggers reaction strikes from amberjack, big grouper, and aggressive snapper. I lean toward 4 to 6-inch swimbaits in natural colors like white, pearl, or chartreuse.
Vertical jigs including knife jigs and flutter jigs excel when fish are aggressive and feeding actively. You drop them straight down, then work them with sharp lifts and controlled drops. The erratic fluttering action mimics injured or disoriented baitfish. These jigs shine in deeper water or strong current where other presentations struggle to maintain the strike zone.
When Should You Use Artificial Lures Instead of Natural Bait?
Artificials make sense in several specific bottom fishing scenarios I've learned to recognize over time. When fish are feeding aggressively and bites come fast, artificials let you fish more efficiently than constantly re-baiting. You can make twice as many presentations per hour, covering more structure and triggering more strikes.
Strong current sometimes forces you toward artificials. Heavy jigs cut through flow better than natural baits, maintaining position in the strike zone without getting swept away or creating excessive line belly. When current runs hard, I'll often switch to 6 to 8-ounce jigs that hold bottom while natural baits would just drift uselessly.
Bait availability issues solve themselves with artificials. Live bait dies, cut bait runs out, and suddenly you're fishing with marginal offerings or nothing at all. Artificials eliminate these concerns entirely. You always have fresh presentations available regardless of how long you've been out.
The selectivity advantage matters too. Smaller reef fish that constantly steal cut bait struggle to eat larger jigs and swimbaits. When you want to target bigger fish specifically and avoid spending all day catching small triggers and grunts, upsize your artificials. A 6-inch swimbait filters out a lot of nuisance fish while still triggering strikes from the grouper and snapper you actually want.
What Natural Baits Consistently Produce Fish?
Despite my appreciation for artificials, natural bait remains the foundation of truly productive bottom fishing. Fish recognize and readily eat familiar food items, and the scent dispersion from natural baits triggers feeding responses that artificials sometimes can't match.
Cut bait from oily fish species works consistently across different target species and locations. Bonito, Spanish mackerel, blue runner, and similar oily fish cut into chunks provide the scent trail that pulls fish in from a distance. The key is matching chunk size to your target. Use fist-sized chunks for big grouper and amberjack, smaller pieces for snapper and sea bass. Fresh cut bait outproduces frozen every single time, so if you can catch your bait the day you fish, do it.
Squid represents perhaps the most universal bottom fishing bait. I've caught everything from small lane snapper to 40-pound amberjack on squid. It stays on the hook well during drops and in current, and nearly every reef species eats it readily. Whole small squid work for larger fish, while strips cut from bigger squid suit various hook sizes. The natural toughness means you can catch multiple fish on a single bait piece.
Live bait often outproduces everything else when you can obtain and present it properly. Live pinfish, grunts, small blue runners, and similar baitfish trigger vicious strikes from grouper, snapper, and amberjack. The challenge is keeping bait alive as you drop to depth:
Use a vent needle or a bottom fishing descending device to release pressure from the bait's swim bladder during descent
Hook through the nose or just ahead of the dorsal fin for the most natural presentation
Keep livewells well-oxygenated and maintain cool water temperatures
Drop quickly to get bait to depth before it struggles too much
Shrimp work exceptionally well for inshore structure and moderate depths under 100 feet. Both live and dead shrimp produce for snapper, sea bass, sheepshead, and various other species around shallow reefs. Use larger shrimp to filter out smaller fish.
How Do You Keep Natural Bait Fresh All Day?
This might seem basic, but bait quality directly impacts your catch rate. I've watched anglers fish all day with old, sun-baked bait and wonder why they're not getting bites while boats nearby are loading up. Fish respond dramatically better to fresh, properly stored bait.
Start with quality bait purchased fresh the morning you fish or caught that morning if possible. Inspect everything before leaving the dock. Reject anything that smells off or shows deterioration.
Pack bait in crushed ice in insulated coolers, maintaining cold temperatures throughout the day. Separate different bait types to prevent cross-contamination and make access easier. Drain meltwater regularly because bait sitting in water deteriorates faster than bait on ice.
Cut bait on demand rather than pre-cutting everything at once. Whole fish stay fresher longer. Prepare what you need for immediate use, keeping the rest whole and cold until needed. This approach maintains bait quality through long fishing days in hot conditions.
Lightly salt squid strips and cut fish to toughen them and improve hook adhesion. Don't overdo it, just a light coating makes bait stay on hooks better and last through multiple drops without becoming unnatural.
How Do You Rig for Bottom Fishing in Different Conditions?
Your rig needs to accomplish several tasks simultaneously: get bait to bottom quickly despite depth and current, present it naturally, allow fish to eat without feeling excessive resistance, and provide the hook-setting leverage you need. The specific rig you choose depends on depth, current strength, bottom type, and target species.
The Fishfinder Rig for Most Situations
The fishfinder rig provides one of the most versatile bottom fishing setups I've used. An egg sinker slides freely on your main line above a barrel swivel. Below the swivel, you attach a leader with your hook. When a fish picks up the bait, line slides through the sinker with minimal resistance, letting the fish move off naturally before you set the hook.
To rig it properly:
Slide an egg sinker onto your main line followed by a plastic bead to protect the knot
Tie on a barrel swivel using a strong knot like the improved clinch or uni knot
Attach a 3 to 5-foot fluorocarbon leader to the swivel's other end
Use heavier leader than your main line for abrasion resistance around structure
Add an appropriate circle or J-hook for your target species and bait size
Sinker weight varies with conditions. Start with 4 to 6 ounces for depths under 100 feet in moderate current, increasing as needed to maintain bottom contact. You want just enough weight to reach and hold bottom without excessive pressure on your line.
The Carolina Rig for Wary Fish
The Carolina rig functions similarly to a fishfinder but places the sinker on a separate leader section, keeping it even further from the hook. This setup provides an extremely natural presentation for pressured or cautious fish like big mangrove snapper or gag grouper that have seen a lot of tackle.
Thread your main line through an egg sinker and bead, then tie to a barrel swivel. Add a short 12 to 18-inch leader from the swivel to another swivel, creating the sinker section. Attach your hook leader to the second swivel. The sinker stays well away from the hook, and the presentation looks completely natural.
Rigs That Work in Strong Current
Heavy current requires modified approaches. The three-way swivel rig excels when water's moving hard because it presents bait away from the main sinker, reducing tangles and allowing better bait action.
A three-way swivel forms the rig's center point:
Attach your main line to one eye
Add a short dropper leader (8 to 18 inches) with the sinker to another eye
Connect your hook leader (3 to 5 feet) to the third eye
Use lighter pound test on the dropper leader than your main line. If the sinker hangs bottom, you break off just the weight rather than losing your entire rig. Bank sinkers or flat sinkers hold bottom better in current than round weights because their shape digs in rather than rolling.
The knocker rig eliminates leaders entirely by threading an egg sinker directly onto your line above the hook. The sinker rests against the hook eye, creating a tight, compact presentation that cuts through current efficiently. This works great for big grouper around heavy structure where you need to get bait down quickly and maintain control throughout the fight.
What's the Best Way to Position Your Boat?
Boat positioning separates anglers who consistently catch fish from those who struggle. I've fished with captains who can put you on fish repeatedly and others who drift randomly hoping to cross productive bottom. The difference is understanding how current, wind, and structure interact.
Drift Fishing Over Extended Structure
Drift fishing lets you cover structure efficiently by allowing current and wind to push your boat across productive bottom. You drop baits to bottom as you approach structure, maintain contact as you drift across it, and re-position once you pass the productive zone. This technique works exceptionally well over extended reefs and ledges where fish spread out.
The key is managing your drift speed. Too fast and you either drag baits ineffectively or lose bottom contact as your rig swings up in the water column. Too slow and you don't cover enough structure to find active fish. Deploy a drift sock if you're moving too quickly. Use small amounts of forward throttle to position correctly if you're being blown off your intended drift path.
Bottom contact tells you everything. You should feel your sinker touching bottom throughout the drift:
When bottom drops away, let out more line immediately
When bottom rises, reel in to avoid hanging
Maintain constant depth adjustment to keep bait in the strike zone
Watch your rod tip for the subtle bounce that indicates proper bottom contact
Position your drift to approach structure from upcurrent. This gives your baits time to reach bottom before you pass over the prime fish-holding areas. Study your electronics as you approach, noting exactly where structure shows strongest and where you mark fish.
Drop baits before you reach the structure's upcurrent edge. This timing lets them reach bottom as you drift into the strike zone. Drop too late and you drift over fish before your baits get down. Too early and you waste time fishing barren bottom.
Anchoring makes sense when you find small, highly productive pieces of structure like a wreck, isolated rock pile, or specific ledge feature. Set your anchor so you position upcurrent of the structure, letting your baits sweep naturally back toward the fish-holding areas.
The ideal position lets your baits swing naturally across the upcurrent edge of structure where fish wait to ambush food moving past. Position too far upcurrent and your baits don't reach structure. Too close and you constantly hang bottom or fish water that's too shallow. This takes practice and multiple anchor sets before you nail it.
Consider the angle your baits approach structure. Fish facing into current see food coming from that direction. Position so current carries your baits naturally into their field of view rather than approaching from behind where they're less likely to notice.
When you mark fish concentrated in specific areas, GPS mark the spot precisely. You might make a dozen drifts over the same hundred-yard section if it's producing consistently. Use your electronics to set up identical drift paths, approaching from the same angle to replicate successful presentations.
When Is the Best Time to Bottom Fish?
Bottom fishing produces year-round, but certain periods offer clear advantages. The period around tide changes consistently delivers the fastest action. As tide begins to move after slack water, current activates fish feeding behavior. Baitfish and other food items begin moving with current flow, triggering predators to feed opportunistically.
The first hour or two of tide movement typically delivers the most aggressive bites. Fish feed hard during this window, then activity often slows as tide reaches full strength. Plan your fishing day around these periods, positioning over your best structure as tide begins to move rather than arriving mid-tide when fish might be less active.
Dawn and dusk feeding periods matter less in bottom fishing than other techniques because you're fishing deeper water where light penetration isn't as significant. That said, the hour before and after sunrise or sunset still shows increased activity on shallower reefs where light changes influence behavior.
Seasonal patterns affect species availability:
Summer brings the best variety as warmer water increases metabolism and feeding activity
Spring and fall see species movements as temperatures change, with migrations on and off reefs
Winter reduces diversity but provides excellent fishing for cold-tolerant species
Post-frontal periods often trigger aggressive feeding as fish respond to changing pressure
Weather conditions influence success significantly. Stable weather with light wind allows precise boat positioning. Calm seas make it easier to maintain bottom contact and feel subtle bites. However, you can fish effectively in moderate conditions that would shut down trolling or kite fishing.
How Do You Actually Land Fish Around Structure?
This is where you win or lose in bottom fishing. Fish you hook near structure instinctively run for cover. Grouper, in particular, make powerful initial runs trying to reach the reef. If they succeed, you're pulling on dead weight wrapped around coral or wedged into crevices. I've lost plenty of fish early in my bottom fishing career before learning aggressive fighting techniques.
Set the hook hard, then immediately apply maximum drag pressure within your tackle's limits. You want to turn the fish before it reaches structure, not after. This aggressive approach feels wrong because we're conditioned to fight fish conservatively, but it's absolutely necessary when fishing heavy structure.
Use tackle with enough backbone to apply serious lifting pressure. I fish 50 to 80-pound braided main line with 60 to 100-pound fluorocarbon leader for big grouper. The drag needs smooth performance under heavy pressure. Set it to 25 to 35% of your line's breaking strength for the initial fight.
Keep your rod bent at a working angle between 45 and 90 degrees throughout the fight:
This angle maintains constant pressure while protecting tackle from sudden surges
Pump fish toward the surface rather than trying to horse them up with the reel alone
Lower the rod while reeling, then lift smoothly while maintaining line tension
Never give slack, which allows fish to reorient and make another run for structure
The first run determines most fights. Stop that initial surge and you've won. Let fish reach structure and your odds of landing them drop to almost nothing. This reality drives everything about tackle selection and fighting technique in serious bottom fishing.
As fish near the surface, they often make a final surge when they see the boat. Anticipate this and have line ready to give if necessary. Maintain pressure but let fish take line rather than breaking off at this crucial moment. Once you regain control after this final run, bring fish alongside quickly for gaffing or netting.
What Tackle Actually Works for Bottom Fishing?
I see a lot of anglers show up with gear that's either too light or unnecessarily heavy. For reef fishing in 80 to 200 feet, conventional reels in the 25 to 50-class range paired with 6 to 7-foot rods rated for 30 to 80-pound test provide appropriate power. These outfits handle the vertical lifting required while providing backbone to turn fish away from structure.
Line capacity matters more than most people realize. Deep water requires substantial capacity to reach bottom with room for safety margin. Spool reels with 400 to 600 yards of line appropriate to your target species. I use 40 to 80-pound braided line as main line for its thin diameter and lack of stretch. Braid lets you feel bottom contact better and transmit strikes more directly than monofilament.
Fluorocarbon leader should exceed your main line's breaking strength to provide abrasion resistance around structure. I typically use 50 to 100-pound test depending on target species. Heavier leaders for big grouper and amberjack, lighter leaders for finicky snapper in clear water. Make the leader long enough (3 to 5 feet minimum) that it provides meaningful abrasion protection.
Terminal tackle quality matters when you're targeting strong fish around heavy structure:
Circle hooks in sizes 5/0 to 10/0 for most natural bait presentations
J-hooks for actively jigging with artificial lures
Quality barrel swivels rated well above your line strength
Egg sinkers, bank sinkers, or flat sinkers in 4 to 16 ounces depending on conditions
Buy quality components that won't fail when you hook the fish of a trip. Cheap swivels break, bargain hooks bend out, and low-quality sinkers chip or shatter. Spend the money on terminal tackle that matches the rest of your investment.
Frequently Asked Questions About Bottom Fishing
How deep can you bottom fish with conventional tackle?
Most recreational bottom fishing with conventional tackle works effectively from 40 to 300 feet. You can push to 400 feet with stout gear, but beyond that depth, electric reels and deep dropping techniques become more practical. The sweet spot for sport fishing runs 80 to 200 feet where you maintain connection to the fight while targeting prime reef structure.
What pound test line is best for bottom fishing snapper and grouper?
Braided main line in 40 to 80-pound test paired with 50 to 100-pound fluorocarbon leader handles most bottom fishing situations. Use lighter setups (40-pound braid, 50-pound leader) for smaller snapper and sea bass. Step up to heavier gear (65 to 80-pound braid, 80 to 100-pound leader) when targeting large grouper and amberjack around heavy structure. The braid's thin diameter provides capacity while the fluorocarbon leader offers abrasion resistance.
Can you bottom fish effectively from shore or piers?
Shore-based bottom fishing works well around jetties, piers, rocky points, and other areas where structure extends within casting distance. The fundamental approach remains the same: present bait near bottom over structure. Target species include sea bass, sheepshead, snapper, and various other structure-oriented fish. Your main limitation is positioning, as you can't reposition like a boat can to stay over productive structure.
What size hooks work best for different bottom fishing species?
Hook size depends on target species and bait size. For red snapper and medium grouper, 5/0 to 8/0 circle hooks handle most situations effectively. Large grouper and amberjack require 9/0 to 12/0. Smaller reef fish like sea bass and lane snapper work well with 2/0 to 4/0 hooks. Match hook size to bait proportion for natural presentation.
How much weight do you need for bottom fishing in current?
Weight requirements vary with depth, current strength, and line diameter. Start with 4 to 8 ounces for depths under 100 feet in moderate current. Add weight as depth increases or current strengthens, potentially reaching 12 to 16 ounces or more in deep water or strong flow. Use just enough weight to maintain bottom contact without excessive pressure. Bank sinkers hold better than egg sinkers in strong current.
What's the difference between bottom fishing and reef fishing?
The terms are often used interchangeably. Bottom fishing describes the technique of presenting bait near the ocean floor. Reef fishing describes the location where you're fishing: around coral reefs, rocky reefs, or artificial reefs. Most reef fishing involves bottom fishing techniques, but you can also fish reefs with trolling, casting topwater lures, or live baiting in the water column.
How do you prevent losing tackle to bottom structure?
Use breakaway sinker rigs where the weight breaks free if snagged, preserving your hooks and leader. Keep your sinker moving rather than letting it sit stationary where it can wedge into crevices. When you feel a snag, try changing your angle rather than pulling straight up. Sometimes repositioning the boat lets you pull from a different direction and free your tackle without breaking off.
Should you use circle hooks or J-hooks for bottom fishing?
Circle hooks work better for natural bait presentations because they hook fish in the corner of the mouth with simple steady pressure rather than an aggressive hook set. This makes them more effective for drop-down fishing when you can't see bites coming. J-hooks provide better hookup rates when actively jigging artificial lures because you set the hook with a sharp motion. Many anglers keep both styles rigged and switch based on presentation method.
What time of day produces the best bottom fishing action?
Tide movement matters more than time of day for bottom fishing. The period as tide begins moving after slack water consistently produces the most active feeding. First and last light can enhance activity on shallower reefs, but on deeper structure, tide phase trumps solar position. Plan trips around favorable tidal windows rather than focusing primarily on dawn or dusk.
How do you find productive bottom fishing spots?
Use a combination of methods to locate productive structure. Study nautical charts for depth changes, ledges, and marked wrecks or artificial reefs. Use quality electronics to mark structure and fish as you explore. Network with other anglers or join online fishing communities to learn about productive areas. GPS coordinates for public reefs and wrecks are often shared freely. Once you find productive structure, mark it precisely and return regularly to build a library of proven spots.
Take Your Bottom Fishing Skills Further
The techniques covered here provide the foundation you need to catch snapper, grouper, and other reef species consistently. But watching these methods applied in real fishing situations accelerates learning dramatically. In The Spread's bottom fishing videos show professional captains demonstrating precise boat positioning, rig setup for different conditions, and fighting techniques that keep fish from reaching the reef.
For species-specific tactics, explore the grouper fishing section covering aggressive hook-setting and high-pressure fighting required for these powerful fish. The mangrove snapper videos detail finesse approaches when these cautious biters prove selective.
Build complete skills by understanding related techniques. Boat positioning fundamentals improve your setup over structure regardless of conditions. Fishing tackle videos help you select and rig equipment specifically for bottom fishing challenges around heavy structure.
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